in a state that certainly has tougher gun laws than, say, a lot of other red states. in a community that seems like it should have been so shielded from this and a season that is supposed to be about peace. >> exactly. >> i think it underlined in so many ways why none of us, are none of us are shielded from this kind of violence unless we force our leaders to do something. >> well, and, again, i think i worry about what andrea mitchell is saying about the concern about whether or not the president in congress has the guts to do something. i would say that it would be one of the most disappointing things i've ever witnessed in my entire lifetime. if we can't make fundamental changes in our gun laws but, not only that, in how we handle mental illness in this country, school security in this country and, also, the pervasive and deadly culture of these violent video games which i don't care, i'll say it, feed into this. feed into almost every profile that we see and literally give these young shooters, these young, male shooters guide posts as to how to commit a mass murd